Rod Ammon: Welcome to the ResponderSafety.com Podcast, brought to you by the Emergency Responder Safety Institute, a committee of the Cumberland Valley Volunteer Firefighters Association. To remain mindful of why we do this work, we start every podcast with an update of emergency responders struck by fatalities. So far in 2025, 10 emergency responders were struck and killed while assisting the public on the roadway. We have information on the loss of these responders and a memorial tribute available at respondersafety.com/fatalityreports. Our thoughts are with their families and colleagues. Please visit respondersafety.com for more than 150 resources and training that will help you operate more safely at roadway incidents and educate the public about how to safely avoid or pass an emergency scene on the roadway. If you're aware of an incident where an emergency responder or emergency response vehicle were struck while working at a roadway incident scene, please report it to us at reportstruckby.com, supported by the Federal Highway Administration. Your reports provide crucial data that helps us identify why struck by incidents occur and design new training and resources to mitigate those contributing factors. You can remain anonymous. On June 12th, 2023, Chief Jamie Drawbaugh of the Montgomery County Fire and Rescue Service in Maryland responded to a minor vehicle crash as the mutual aid first due paramedic engine. Moments later, he was interacting with an agitated driver when that driver took off. Chief Drawbaugh was dragged by the vehicle and nearly run over. Chief Drawbaugh is a 25-year member of the fire service, a native of Washington County, Maryland, and US Army veteran as a combat medical specialist and EMS supervisor. He joined the Volunteer Fire Company of Halfway Maryland in 1986 when he was just 15 years old. Today, he's that department's fire chief. He is the fire and rescue training officer for the Washington County Maryland Division of Emergency Services Training Academy. He's also a MIFRI instructor and an instructor evaluator. Even with all this experience, Chief Drawbaugh still became a victim of a struck by incident. It can happen to anyone. Thankfully, Chief Drawbaugh survived and healed from his injuries. He's here to tell us what went wrong, what he learned, and what advice he has for you if you face a similar situation. Chief, welcome to the podcast.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Thank you for having me. It's my honor to be here.

Rod Ammon: Well, again, thanks for your time with us and we appreciate very much you sharing this experience and helping teach some others. So, take us back to June 12th, 2023. Could you set the scene for us and tell us about the incident?

Jamie Drawbaugh: Absolutely. I was working my full-time job at the time as a firefighter EMC for Montgomery County, Maryland Fire and Rescue. The station that I worked at sat right on the county line between Montgomery County and Frederick County, the county just north of us, and we run mutual aid obviously with them being that we were so close. So, we run a car accident for reported tractor trailer and pickup truck. You get on the scene. It's property damage, very minor. Problem was the location was on an S-turn down a hill, and we were on the bottom of the S-turn. So, I looked at my captain and said, "Hey," starting to drizzle rain a little bit. It's like 12:30 in the afternoon. Let me go up to the top of the hill. There's another side street up there. We can turn people around. They can go around the block, avoid going down over the hill. We got guys working. The cops are there. The ambulance is there, checking on people. Nothing critical, thank God. I go up directing traffic. That's when we had our engagement.

Rod Ammon: All right. So, afternoon, drizzly, visibility is okay. You're first due. You have on turnout gear.

Jamie Drawbaugh: I was wearing turnout gear, pants, boots, safety vests, and I had a portable radio.

Rod Ammon: So everything I had here in my notes that you even had on a Guardian Angel light.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yes, I had a Guardian Angel. All the guys used to laugh at me for that, but I believe they all have them now. Unfortunately, it didn't help me.

Rod Ammon: I think we'll learn more about that as you go on here. So, you got a twisty road. Your engine took up a blocking position. Ambulance is parked in a protected area. Talk about your role.

Jamie Drawbaugh: So like I said, when we first got there, obviously, our priority is patient assessment, patient care, seeing who's injured and making sure there's no entrapment. I rode a paramedic rescue engine for almost 10 years of my career, and that was our primary job there. Well, when we figured out, hey, it's very minor vehicle damage that obviously the tractor trailer driver normally, he was fine. Thank goodness the two folks in the pickup truck, the older couple were okay. They were not injured, did not request any EMS services, but just because of the magnitude of the accident, we had the EMS unit come in, just check them out, make sure, give them that opportunity. Once we started deescalating a little bit, that's when I went up to the top of the hill to avoid people coming down and with starting to drizzle the road, getting a little slick. It hadn't rained in a while. So, I was like, "I'll just go up and turn them around and we'll be good to go."

Rod Ammon: Makes sense.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Something I've done for years as a chief in my volunteer department, I sit and think, "My God, we normally put the youngest, most inexperienced kid out there directing traffic." After this incident, I'm thinking, "Thank goodness, it was me and it wasn't some inexperienced, young, uneducated person, firefighter, EMT, whatever." I mean, the results could have been completely different.

Rod Ammon: Yeah, so tell me about what happened.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Multiple vehicles turning around. People, hey, thanks, appreciate it. Nobody likes setting the road down because everybody gets mad. They have to turn. Yeah, that's the only way I know how to get there. No, there's 5,000 other ways. I'm on a dogleg turn. So, I can see way up the road and they can see me where I was positioned and I could see him coming and he was accelerating. I was like, "Okay, this guy's not going to..." So I'm waving my arms. I got the Guardian Light on. I had a small flashlight. I had it on strobes and I'm like, "Hey, stop. Hey, stop." Because all I can figure is this guy's going to blow by me. They're down over the hill and take out my guy. Well, then I've done no justice. I haven't done my job. So, he finally stopped. I mean, he is just immediately screaming and yelling at me. Who are you to stop me, blah, blah? I said, "Sir, there's an accident." I know my family's... I said, "There's nobody injured. You can't go down there." I'm going down and it's just back and forth and back and forth and back and forth. Next thing I know, I hear spinning tires. As I'm standing in the passenger side of his Ford F-150, I have my hands just resting on the windowsill. You don't think of it at the time. Everybody's like, "Well, why didn't you just let go?" Well, three seconds into it, I thought, "Wow, I'm trying to keep up with this pickup truck and it's not working." I did let go and I'm thinking, "Wow, this is the longest three seconds of my life, but the fastest three seconds of my life." When somebody says that their life truly passes before their eyes, I can say that has happened. The things that went through my brain in that three to five seconds probably before I hit the ground and humbled and became very, very, very mad, I thought of my family, my kids, my wife. A dear friend of mine, he started all of this, Joe Kroboth. I was there the night that he was hit and killed on Interstate 81 by a distracted driver, which actually started all of this back May 3rd, 1998. His son, Joe Kroboth III, is a wonderful friend of mine who I have known since I joined the fire service. He's been a huge mentor of mine and a wonderful guy, family friend. He was in my wedding. These things all go through your brain and you're just like, "I've trained for this. I've taken every module that responder safety has. I've got my TIM certificate, I've got all that stuff, and I'm the one laying on the ground. Wait a minute, how did that happen?" I get up. I dust myself off. I get on the radio. Well, my captain hears me say, "Hey, I just got hit." Well, they were paying attention to the guy in the truck because here he comes flying down the hill. Well, they heard the tires spinning, which keyed them into, "Hey, what's going on up there?" He comes down and he's screaming, yelling, "I don't know who that guy thinks he is up there, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." I got it all on dash cam and the cop went, "Really?" I think we'll take that. So, yeah, so they collected the dash cam. Police wrote him a citation, which he paid, and it did go to court. I never ended up in court, but it did go to court. I didn't have to testify or anything. It was settled out of court, but the unfortunate thing is I was the only one transported that day from that collision to the hospital.

Rod Ammon: It's amazing. It's interesting because I've heard this before, that reflex to hold the vehicle.

Jamie Drawbaugh: I can't explain it, and people are like, "Why didn't you just let go?" I don't know. You don't realize that, and we do it all the time. You walk up to somebody's vehicle. Hey, how are you doing? You can't go this way. There's an accident, for your safety, our safety, yada, yada, yada. I mean, he was on a mission from the beginning. He was worried about his family. I get that. I'm trying to explain to him that hey, they're not injured. Hey, you don't want to go down there. You can't go down there. Look, if you want to park up here and walk down that side, I don't care. In hindsight, I probably should have, A, let go of the truck, B, maybe try to de-escalate the situation quicker than what I thought I did. I don't think that I reacted in a deescalating mode as quick as I should have.

Rod Ammon: Well, that's a pretty tough thing to... I've heard this happen before and I've heard about family members even ending up injured because they were responding to something. I don't think I'd be too hard on myself, but I appreciate you sharing the learning with the lesson learned in this situation. I can imagine it's tough to shift to deescalation when a family member is coming in that quickly.

Jamie Drawbaugh: I get it. I mean I've been doing this, I'm 54 now, since I was 15. I don't know everything, but I'm a county safety officer here in Washington County, Maryland. I'm the chief of my department. I trust my guys constantly about wearing a safety vest. It was near and dear to our heart in Halfway because of Bill. I'm always on my people about it, and it was funny because everybody said, "How the hell did he get hit? That guy's always got a safety vest." It just says to tell you how quick something can go wrong.

Rod Ammon: Well, in that case, you were very visible.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yes.

Rod Ammon: A lot of times I don't think people have any communication with the driver and here you are in this personal and energized situation. Can you talk more about how you might share with others how to deescalate?

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yeah. I mean, hindsight's 2020, Rod, I could say I did this or I did that or I should have done this or I should have done that. I should have recognized quicker the sense of urgency this gentleman had. I don't believe there was deescalating him. He was that set on going down that hill. Of course, then when I told him no and then the interaction started, he got loud. I got loud and I should have just said, "Okay, hold up. Just wait a second." Yeah, I definitely probably could have done better there. Absolutely. But I think recognizing that now as I move forward in my career in fire and rescue, I will keep that in the back of my head to try to... You got to put yourself in their situation also. They have a loved one down there. Yeah. I'm standing there saying, "Hey, you're good. Don't worry about it." They don't know that. You've got to see it for yourself. So, yeah, it's unfortunate what happened. I'm glad that I wasn't significantly injured, bumped bruises. I was off work for about three months. I had a knee injury, but it's a little piece of humble pie. It's the guy that preached the safety and I'm the one that gets drug down the road 30 feet.

Rod Ammon: I think it also speaks to the fact that these are often complex situations, even on a little road where you thought about it in advance and you went to the top of the hill and you thought about visibility and you were visible. I think you had a conversation with Cathy or I know you did about situational awareness.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Oh, absolutely. Yup.

Rod Ammon: What would you like to share about that?

Jamie Drawbaugh: Your head's got to be on a swivel. I saw this guy coming. I could have recognized from just his driving that this was going to be a confrontation. Doing this for the amount of years that I've done it and seeing things that I've seen or stories that I've heard or reports that I've read, that issue that day, I had a substitute officer and I was like, "Hey, cap, I'm going up the top of the hill." He's like, "Yeah, man, good idea. No problem. Get up there and make sure we're good." I'm like, "Absolutely." I think having that knowledge and working with the rest of the guys on the crew, there's four of us. The other three, well, me and the two other guys all work together all the time. So, we just had a substitute officer, but we all knew what each other were doing and we all knew how we all worked. They're like, "Oh, okay, well, I'll leave the paramedic down there. He's helping the ambulance crew. The driver's doing his thing. I'm the traffic guy." So hey, here's where I'm going, here's what I'm doing, and go up and do it. Those guys are like, "Yup, he does it all the time. That's his job." This is my job. Everybody else was perfect, and yes, it was like 12:30 in the afternoon. It was a little overcast, but I mean, there was no visibility issues. I'm wearing bunker pants with stop light. I have a safety vest on, an approved safety vest. I have a Guardian Angel and the cop even said when he looked at the video, he's like, "Yeah, as soon as that guy starts around the corner, it's like bling. There you are."

Rod Ammon: That's really good to know. I mean, that's something to learn and to share with other people. I'm glad you did about the visibility and the fact that as the officer said, "Bling, there you are."

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yeah. He's like, "He can't miss you."

Rod Ammon: Well, yeah, I laugh and it isn't funny to me.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Right. I get it.

Rod Ammon: It's just amazing.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yes. Well, it's funny though because my battalion chief and the safety officer for the county, as soon as they hear somebody's injured, they're on the way. A friend of mine who worked part-time for me in Halfway who's a battalion chief in the federal fire department, he was stopping by to see me. He hears firefighter injured or hurt. He's like, "Oh, crap," but he comes riding up. He's like, "Man, you okay?" Yeah. I'm like, "I'm good. I'm good." Did you call your wife? I'm like, "No, not yet." He goes, "Well, you better call her because I'm not." He knows my wife. It's like, "I'm not calling her. You call her." I really don't want to call her. The first two questions out of my battalion chief and my safety officer's mouth were first, "Is he okay?" It was like, yeah, he's got some bumps, bruises, but he's nothing critical. The second thing was, "Did he have a vest on?" They're like, "Absolutely." Yeah. I got video to prove it.

Rod Ammon: That's interesting. In this case, visibility didn't cause the issue.

Jamie Drawbaugh: No.

Rod Ammon: I'm wondering if there's anything else you can teach others or share with others about how you were positioned.

Jamie Drawbaugh: I tried to have a line of sight that I could see vehicles coming at me and they could see me. I was off to the shoulder of the road. Depending on where people are from and they're listening to this, this road by Maryland standards did not have white shoulder lines or a yellow divided line. It wasn't that wide. It didn't meet that criteria. So, it's a back road. It's just a paved road. There's no line, so it's not that wide. So, I'm standing toward the shoulder just in case. Hey, I can get out of the way. Then everybody else sees me. Not a problem. I guess the only thing, maybe not get as close to the vehicle. I don't know.

Rod Ammon: Yeah, like you said, he stopped.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're having an interaction. Then it's funny because I can still hear those tires spin and my feet are going and I'm like, "I am not keeping up here." The only thing I can think of now, I'm going to go under this truck. Like I said earlier, that three seconds, man, things that go through your brain are just like, "Holy crap, this is happening." But yeah, the positioning, I don't think I would have changed anything. I really don't. I think I was in the best position I could be in. Like I said, the only thing I think I could have done different would've been use different deescalating techniques, or just step back from him and radio down and say, "Hey, watch out, guys. Here he comes."

Rod Ammon: I'm reaching now, but I'm also thinking, I'm trying to put myself in some of the situations that I've seen. You probably didn't have it. I mean, in longer situations, sometimes you can barricade the road. I don't know. I'm trying to think of all these people that listen to us and give us all kinds of critiques. I'm trying to think of are there other ways that you might've handled the space where traffic could pass? I don't know.

Jamie Drawbaugh: So with the Louisville Road, where we were located, it's like a shortcut. It's like a triangle on there. So, Route 355, which is a main drag, it goes down to a traffic light and you make a sharp left and back on Route 75. Louisville Road cuts it off in between, so it's like a little side street almost. So, a lot of people that use that, so they don't have to go down and around. With a side street like that, it was basically a property damage collision. There was no need to cut the road down. We were only going to be a couple minutes. It took longer once I got injured with all the stuff that had to happen then. We had no plans of shutting the road down. There was no need. It was, "Hey, turn a couple of cars around. We're checking these folks out, make sure they're good. Turn the scene over to the law enforcement and we're out of here."

Rod Ammon: Yeah, I get it. I'm just trying to probe in every way I can to-

Jamie Drawbaugh: No, absolutely.

Rod Ammon: ... make sure I'm asking from those positions of there's so many different opinions. You want to cover things as much as you can.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Was I perfect about everything? No, no. There's no way. Nobody is.

Rod Ammon: Well, we're all human.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Exactly. Your emotions get involved, and I think mine may have that day. I thank God that I'm still here to be able to pass this on my experience and how quick something can happen. I'm an advocate for responder safety. Like I said, it's near and dear to my heart. So, yeah, like I said, it's a very humbling experience when it happens to you.

Rod Ammon: You know what though, on the other hand, there's a lot to be learned from what you did right. That's what I get out of this.

Jamie Drawbaugh: That's why when I talked to Jack and Candice and Joe and a bunch of folks about all this, I was like, "Hey, look." I talked to Jack and he's like, "Once the legal stuff's done, we'll talk." I'm like, "Okay, yeah, no problem. I don't want to jeopardize anything." When I saw Jack at a convention, I was like, "Hey, man, things are good." He's like, "Okay, I'll be in touch. Perfect." I want to pass that on. Hey, here's what I can relate to you that I did do right. Here's what I could have changed, maybe could have done this better, but this does work. Traffic management done correctly will work, wearing a safety vest. Okay, yeah. It didn't protect me from getting drugged down the road. In the video and all the interviews and everything, he was completely obvious. You couldn't miss, so it does work.

Rod Ammon: Earlier on, you mentioned that you were there when Captain Joseph Kroboth Jr. was struck and killed during directing traffic at an incident scene. Can you talk about how that experience changed you and perhaps shaped your career?

Jamie Drawbaugh: I was a lieutenant in the third and Halfway at the time. I was working community rescue service, which is the EMS department in town that night. I heard the crash go out on the interstate and I was like, "Oh, man, that sounds bad." I want to say it was like a double or triple fatality, Interstate 81 southbound at the exit two, just north of the West Virginia line in the Williamsport area. We were landing a Maryland State police helicopter for medevac. When Joe was hit, I heard it over the radio. I immediately went to the hospital because the hospital was literally a couple of blocks away from the ambulance station. So, I was still in my first due area. When they brought Joe in, I helped take him out of the back of the medic unit and take him into the hospital. Seeing what I saw that night was a friend who I knew, a co-worker, a person that I looked up to, and there wasn't anything we could do to change. So, I walked out. I was probably one of the first to go out to the quiet room and see Joe and his mom. That was hard. That was a very difficult time in our department's history. Something that I hope no one ever has to experience. It's tough when it's a co-worker or somebody you know, but when it's a close personal friend, we're a small community. We're a small space and we depend on each other. Like I said, still to this day, twice a year, we go out. That section of Interstate 81 is dedicated to Joe, and we hang bouquets of flowers on his sign twice a year. We change them out to make sure they look decent for him.

Rod Ammon: Well, all I can say is that that must have been incredibly hard. I can only imagine it motivates you all these times as you learn and instruct others. I can also say that his son, Joe, as well has been an incredible force in doing what we do at Responder Safety and Responder Safety Learning Network, and yeah, continues to.

Jamie Drawbaugh: He's one of my best friends, and I have the utmost respect for Joe. I have since the day I joined the fire department. I put that guy on a pedestal. I really do. That was probably the hardest part was having to walk in and look at him and knowing what I knew. It's just tough, but he has been an advocate and then he's not letting his father's death go in vain. He's a leader.

Rod Ammon: He sure is.

Jamie Drawbaugh: He's charging forward and hoping and trying to prevent this to happen to anybody else.

Rod Ammon: Yeah. I can't think of a better way to memorialize your father than to do work that he's done.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Absolutely. Absolutely. Joe and I actually, we had the original 1945 Oren Fire Engine that Halfway had gotten, the very first engine when they were incorporated in 1949. I ran into Joe one day and I was like, "Hey, trying to find the 45." He said, "I know where it's at." I'm like, "Well, where is it?" He's like, "Oh, it's at the arts farm on the Rent Roads and then the barn dah, dah, dah, dah, dah." I'm like, "Well, I want it back here." That's funny. I've been trying to get it back. Well, I go down. I talked to the lady who had it. Her husband had just passed away, and he was okay. So, we in the department and Joe, we now have the 45. It fits in our station, and it just fits on one carpet in the bay. It has black velvet ropes around it, and it has a plaque dedicated to Joe on the side of it.

Rod Ammon: That's beautiful. It's great that the two of you were able to get that together. I mean, it's crazy the way things can happen.

Jamie Drawbaugh: These young kids don't understand. They just don't understand when they don't put a vest on. I go, "Dude, you have not..." It's cliché. Oh, I wish my eyes could forget what I've seen or whatever it was from Detroit Burn, but it's true. It's true. I've seen it, man. Don't let it happen to you. Don't become a victim when you don't have to. You can take all these steps to prevent it. Don't go through what I went through or what these other guys have gone through. I'm only a friend who had a close friend die. I got here, but I can't imagine my loved one or me being the chief now, having one of my guys. That's the worst thing that scares me to death, and I'm going to have to tell some big family member that they're not coming home.

Rod Ammon: I can't imagine a better way to wrap things up today.

Jamie Drawbaugh: Yup. Really appreciate your time.

Rod Ammon: Well, compared to what you've done and compared to what you're sharing, all I know is we're very grateful and I want to thank you for having this candid conversation and sharing these experiences. That's difficult. More importantly, sharing the message you just shared with some of the younger folks that are out there, dealing with some of these things. I mean, in some cases, they just can't even imagine.

Jamie Drawbaugh: No. I was that kid one day. I sit back and go, "Man, was I that bad?" People are like, "Yeah."

Rod Ammon: Good news is people like you and Joe and Jack and others have really taken this on and are providing education and training to others that didn't have it in the past. So, thank you very much again, and we'll see you soon.

Jamie Drawbaugh: All right, Rod. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I appreciate the time and being able to tell my story.

Rod Ammon: Every situation is unique. If you're concerned that your department or shift may not have the resources to handle traffic control at an incident like this one, consider these ideas. Use a stop slow paddle to control traffic flow. Deploy advanced warning devices like pink emergency scene ahead signs and flares to alert motorists to the upcoming incident and channelizing devices like cones to define the traffic flow or to show the road is closed. Use an emergency vehicle for blocking to provide cover when manually directing traffic or managing the queue. Work with law enforcement or fire police to handle traffic and civilian inquiries. Remember, when interacting with the public, stand to the side of the civilian vehicle, never in front or behind. Maintain safe distance from the civilian vehicle so the motorist cannot grab you, strike you, or pull you into the vehicle. Do not grasp or rest your hands on the vehicle. Keep one hand on your radio. So, you can immediately alert other personnel if the vehicle proceeds toward the activity area without authorization. Practice deescalation techniques and conversation with motorists. Offer alternatives if the motorist is insistent. For example, if they insist on proceeding to the scene to see a victim, state that you will have a responder bring the victim to the motorist vehicle instead. Another option might be to agree to allow the vehicle to proceed, but not until personnel were notified that the civilian vehicle would be proceeding toward the scene and could prepare for it. Now for news from ResponderSafety.com, the incident that led the Chief Drawbaugh's injury happened on a rural road. Many traffic incident management principles must be adapted for the rural road context where roads can be narrow and two-lane, curves, blind, and detour options long. To learn more, take the ResponderSafety Learning Network Module, Traffic Incident Management on Rural Roads. Recently, Cumberland Valley Volunteer Firefighters Association, Emergency Responder Safety Institute partnered with the American Driver and Traffic Safety Education Association or ADTSEA to create a package of driver education materials for instructors to use to teach students how to safely avoid, encounter, and navigate emergency scenes on the roadway. The materials include a video for students and parents, supplemental teaching points to integrate into existing lesson plans, and a PowerPoint presentation of key concepts. All materials are available for free at drivereducators.org. ASTM3422/E3422M-24, the standard specification for protective helmets worn by pedestrian roadway workers is the first standard to specify the requirements for a helmet designed to mitigate the hazards of impacts at roadway incident responses. The new standard is intended for manufacturers to use to design and test helmets for roadway incident response. However, responder groups have a role to play by requesting helmets that meet this standard. If manufacturers see demand, they'll be more likely to invest in the research and development to create an ASTME3422 compliant helmet. Learn more about what you can do by using the links on this podcast page at rsln.org. Todd Leiss, the Assistant Director of Training of Emergency Responders Safety Institute, has authored a new editorial on ResponderSafety.com called The Unsung Heroes of Roadway Safety that highlights the crucial need for all responders to actively participate in creating a safe working environment. Read The Unsung Heroes of Roadway Safety: Why All Emergency Responders Must Prioritize Scene Protection using the link on this podcast page. Finally, just a quick reminder to connect with us on social media for timely updates on news and emergency response and ResponderSafety.com activities. Like and follow us on Facebook at facebook.com/respondersafety, on Instagram at instagram.com/respondersafety, and on X at x.com/respondersafety. If you know of an incident where an emergency vehicle or a responder were struck while operating at a roadway incident, please report it at reportstruckby.com. We're collecting these reports to better understand how struck by incidents occur. So, we can determine what training, public education, and safety messaging is needed to reduce struck by incidents. Anyone can file a report. You can report anonymously. Reports from all response groups are accepted. This podcast, ResponderSafety.com and the Responder Safety Learning Network are made possible by funding from a fire prevention and safety grant from the Assistance to Firefighters grant program administered by FEMA and the US Department of Homeland Security. We appreciate your support and remember to share these podcasts with your colleagues to spread the word about safety practices at roadway incident scenes. Thanks for joining us today on the podcast. Stay safe everybody. We'll see you next time for ResponderSafety.com, I'm Rod Ammon.

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